There is book called Didache and dateed from 1st C.E. have you had a look at that ? It would be interesting to know if the concept of hell is disgussed there
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Questions From Readers : Did Jesus preach to the dead people of Noah's days?
by raymond frantz insorry guys i posted that the other day but with some of the actual post missing ,here it is again .please feel free to find errors,raise questions or fill me in with any more valueable information on the matter .i don't claim to know it all i'm just someone who's constantly looking for answers as most of you here :.
did jesus preach to the dead souls of people from noahs days?what does 1 peter 3:19, 20 mean?
in this state [in the spirit, following his resurrection] also he [jesus] went his way and preached to the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of god was waiting in noahs days, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls [souls, kj, dy; people, tev, jb; persons, rs], were carried safely through the water.
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Questions From Readers : Did Jesus preach to the dead people of Noah's days?
by raymond frantz insorry guys i posted that the other day but with some of the actual post missing ,here it is again .please feel free to find errors,raise questions or fill me in with any more valueable information on the matter .i don't claim to know it all i'm just someone who's constantly looking for answers as most of you here :.
did jesus preach to the dead souls of people from noahs days?what does 1 peter 3:19, 20 mean?
in this state [in the spirit, following his resurrection] also he [jesus] went his way and preached to the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of god was waiting in noahs days, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls [souls, kj, dy; people, tev, jb; persons, rs], were carried safely through the water.
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The apostle's creed earliest mention is 390 C.E. why should that be taken as authority for examining these verses? Is there any solid evidence that the creed was actually written by the apostles ?
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Questions From Readers : Did Jesus preach to the dead people of Noah's days?
by raymond frantz insorry guys i posted that the other day but with some of the actual post missing ,here it is again .please feel free to find errors,raise questions or fill me in with any more valueable information on the matter .i don't claim to know it all i'm just someone who's constantly looking for answers as most of you here :.
did jesus preach to the dead souls of people from noahs days?what does 1 peter 3:19, 20 mean?
in this state [in the spirit, following his resurrection] also he [jesus] went his way and preached to the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of god was waiting in noahs days, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls [souls, kj, dy; people, tev, jb; persons, rs], were carried safely through the water.
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raymond frantz
Sorry guys I posted that the other day but with some of the actual post missing ,here it is again .Please feel free to find errors,raise questions or fill me in with any more valueable information on the matter .I don't claim to know it all I'm just someone who's constantly looking for answers as most of you here :
Did Jesus preach to the dead souls of people from Noah’s days?
What does 1 Peter 3:19, 20 mean? “In this state [in the spirit, following his resurrection] also he [Jesus] went his way and preached to the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls [“souls,” KJ, Dy; “people,” TEV, JB; “persons,” RS], were carried safely through the water.” Were those “spirits in prison” the souls of the humans who had refused to take heed to Noah’s preaching before the Flood, and was the way now open for them to go to heaven? Comparison of 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6 with Genesis 6:2-4 shows that these spirits were angelic sons of God that had materialized and married in Noah’s day. At 1 Peter 3:19, 20 the Greek word for “spirits” is pneu′ma·sin, while the word rendered “souls” is psy·khai′. The “spirits” were not disembodied souls but disobedient angels; the “souls” here referred to were living people, humans, Noah and his household.(read the rest of the post here...)
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Did Jesus preached to the dead souls of Noahs days?
by raymond frantz indid jesus preached to the dead souls of noahs days?.
in his first letter peter seems to imply that jesus immedaiately after his ressurection he preached to the dead souls of noah's days.in 1 peter 3:19,20 we read :"and in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison,who had formerly been disobedient when god was patiently waiting in noahs day,while the ark was being constructed,in which a few people, that is, eight souls,* were carried safely through the water.".
the following post offers insight to these obscure verses ...(click the link).
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Also in reference to Leolaia 's comments the demons were not in Tartarus during Jesus 's time here on earth as Matthew 8:29 shows:" And look! they screamed, saying: “What have we to do with you, Son of God?+Did you come here to torment us+ before the appointed time?”The demons were allowed to roam free here on earth and didn't expect to be torment until the appointed time"
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Mark 5:7-10 7 Then he cried out with a loud voice: “What have I to do with you, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I put you under oath by God not to torment me.”+ 8 For Jesus had been saying to it: “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit.”+ 9 But Jesus asked him: “What is your name?” And he replied: “My name is Legion, because there are many of us.” 10 And he kept pleading with Jesus not to send the spirits out of the country.(=to some distant place)
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Did Jesus preached to the dead souls of Noahs days?
by raymond frantz indid jesus preached to the dead souls of noahs days?.
in his first letter peter seems to imply that jesus immedaiately after his ressurection he preached to the dead souls of noah's days.in 1 peter 3:19,20 we read :"and in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison,who had formerly been disobedient when god was patiently waiting in noahs day,while the ark was being constructed,in which a few people, that is, eight souls,* were carried safely through the water.".
the following post offers insight to these obscure verses ...(click the link).
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good observation John-Mann ,why on earth would Jesus preach the good news to demons ? The Greek word for good news is (ev-aggelion) whereas preaching the good news (ev-ag-ge-li-zo-mai') .Peter used none of these words instead he used the word Ke·rys′so, in general, means “proclaim” (good or bad news), as distinguished from eu·ag·ge·li′zo·mai, “declare good news.” Noah was a preacher (or herald, ke′ryx) to the antediluvian world, warning them. (2Pe 2:5) Christ preached (like a herald) to the spirits in prison, but not the good news.(1Pe 3:18, 19).What was preached to “spirits in prison” must therefore have been a message of judgment .
All these observation are part of my original post :
Did Jesus preach to the dead souls of people from Noah's days?
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Did Jesus preached to the dead souls of Noahs days?
by raymond frantz indid jesus preached to the dead souls of noahs days?.
in his first letter peter seems to imply that jesus immedaiately after his ressurection he preached to the dead souls of noah's days.in 1 peter 3:19,20 we read :"and in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison,who had formerly been disobedient when god was patiently waiting in noahs day,while the ark was being constructed,in which a few people, that is, eight souls,* were carried safely through the water.".
the following post offers insight to these obscure verses ...(click the link).
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Peter talks about the spirits in prison from the days of Noah's days .Many Bible commentators believe that these are the souls of people who rejected God back in the days of Noah (biblehub.com) .Nevertheless a careful consideration of the verses shows that the only spirits ever locked away in the New Testament is in relation to demons and not dead people .Also the verses in Peter use 2 different words to describe Noah and his family(=psykhai=souls) where as the spirits in prison (=pneumasin=spirits) which further supports the explanation about spiritual beings not human souls
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Did Jesus preached to the dead souls of Noahs days?
by raymond frantz indid jesus preached to the dead souls of noahs days?.
in his first letter peter seems to imply that jesus immedaiately after his ressurection he preached to the dead souls of noah's days.in 1 peter 3:19,20 we read :"and in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison,who had formerly been disobedient when god was patiently waiting in noahs day,while the ark was being constructed,in which a few people, that is, eight souls,* were carried safely through the water.".
the following post offers insight to these obscure verses ...(click the link).
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raymond frantz
Did Jesus preached to the dead souls of Noah’s days?
In his first letter Peter seems to imply that Jesus immedaiately after his ressurection he preached to the dead souls of Noah's days.In 1 Peter 3:19,20 we read :"And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison,who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day,while the ark was being constructed,in which a few people, that is, eight souls,* were carried safely through the water."
The following post offers insight to these obscure verses ...(click the link)
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New Testament Words : Sermon of the Mount ,Persian couriers and enforced slavery in one word?
by raymond frantz inwhat does the word compel mean in matthew 5:41?jesus said on the sermon of the mount :" if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles.
how could anyone compel you to do such a thing ?
read about the fascinating history of the word "aggareuein" and how that connects so diverse things such as persian couriers ,romans councelors and enforced labour.
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What does the word compel mean in Matthew 5:41?
Jesus said on the Sermon of the Mount :" if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. " What did he mean by that ? How could anyone compel you to do such a thing ? Read about the fascinating history of the word "aggareuein" and how that connects so diverse things such as Persian couriers ,Romans councelors and enforced labour.(If you find the post interesting please click Facebook share on the right )
What does the word compel mean in Matthew 5:41?
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Bible Highlights(you won't hear at the Kingdom Hall ) :Numbers 17:8?
by raymond frantz ini don't think the watchtower has dealt before at length with this verse .anyway this is my own research on this verse which corresponds with the bible highlights from the book of numbers .. the article considers the similarities between jesus and aaron as high priest.
also a couple of verses from isaiah that are not often quoted at the kingdom hall .. what does the budding of aarons stuff symbolize in numbers 17:8?.
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I don't think the Watchtower has dealt before at length with this verse .Anyway this is my own research on this verse which corresponds with the Bible Highlights from the book of Numbers .
The article considers the similarities between Jesus and Aaron as High Priest. Also a couple of verses from Isaiah that are not often quoted at the Kingdom Hall .
What does the budding of Aaron’s stuff symbolize in Numbers 17:8?
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Assembly:Symposium:Who will not inherit God's Kingdom:"Idolaters
by raymond frantz inlol!
typing that while at the assembly, the benefits of technology.this theme is about idolatry.
the watchtower explains what is idolatry.
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The Watchtower is teaching strict neutrality now. ..The ultimate hypocrisy
